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by Edano 8/18/2011 1:00:39 PM
@Edano why not email her?
BTW, I removed the "Edano" credit from the article. Rockhopper thought it would confuse people in Japan reading it since it isn't a common name or they wouldn't get the humor. Do you want me to put something else up like real name or just first name etc? You should get credit for figuring this out.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:02:27 PM
@ lilly... I think you should try to contact them at RT and get the data package over , it was a significant find on Edano's part
by dean 8/18/2011 1:02:56 PM
@dean will do. I am writing up a brief update on the new rad findings Edano posted below for our site. Will link that to our original article then send both to Daria and ask her to link to our data on their story page and make sure she sees the new incident.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:04:36 PM
Does anyone have the EQ report from the other day still open on their computer? If you do can you post it? Otherwise I will dig back through posts to find it.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:05:10 PM
I agree but it's Edano's call
by dean 8/18/2011 1:05:26 PM
@ lilly.. I saw the post by Pedro asking elaine if she supports the radiation hormesis theory. That could be a whole new article in itself. There are 3 models or theories of which the USA for instance picks the linear no-threshold model (LNT) and the health physics uses it to set maximum acceptable radiation exposures. The LNT model is the more conservative of the other two (threshold model) or (hormesis model). I could see japan wanting to use the one that suggests non-conservative doses and therefore increase their allowable doses and say it is good for the people.
en.wikipedia.org by dean 8/18/2011 1:12:10 PM
A 2007 study of Swedish children exposed to fallout from Chernobyl while they were fetuses between 8 and 25 weeks gestation has found that the reduction in IQ at very low doses was greater than expected, given a simple LNT model for radiation damage, indicating that the LNT model may be too conservative when it comes to neurological damage.[6] Neurological damage has a different biology than cancer, and for cancer rates there are conflicting studies.
by dean 8/18/2011 1:13:38 PM
@Pedro Jesus thanks. Yes, if you find grammar or punctuation I missed please post what you found. I will give them an additional proof read before publishing but more eyes are better and will find things I could miss
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:13:49 PM
@dean Is that from the Wiki link?
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:14:13 PM
article on radiation paradox
en.wikipedia.orgby dean 8/18/2011 1:17:22 PM
yes lilly.. both on wikipedia
by dean 8/18/2011 1:17:57 PM
@dean @Pedro Jesus Hmm Dean do you have time to write something up? Your more capable of the subject than I am. :-)
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:19:51 PM
I just wonder what approach has been taken in Japan for their health physics use to set exposure guidelines
by dean 8/18/2011 1:19:57 PM
@dean exposure guidelines seem to have been pulled out of posteriors :-) I hear ICRP cited frequently
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:20:48 PM
I could give it a shot... health physics is not my specialty but I could put some framework together
by dean 8/18/2011 1:20:54 PM
@Pedro Jesus I do not support the hormesis theory I nearly choked on my bacon !!!! I am trying to find qualified material to disprove it
by elainekirk 8/18/2011 1:21:11 PM
Rbeaner would be an added voice I'm sure
by dean 8/18/2011 1:21:28 PM
@dean If you can do that much I can flesh it out and then have it reviewed to make sure I didn't mis-state anything.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:21:34 PM
will do Lilly
by dean 8/18/2011 1:21:54 PM
@dean yes him and Peter could probably give some good input.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:21:57 PM
@elainekirk mmmm bacon.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:22:23 PM
bacon? did i hear bacon,,, (loading up the lear jet and flying to elaines with all the gang)
by dean 8/18/2011 1:23:37 PM
@ Pedro.. i will just put something together to acknowledge the different models or theories and put alittle perspective on how it may relate to the fukushima recovery efforts for setting limits etc. I think the people in japan are trying to find something to give them reassurance that the low doses they are picking up may not be as terminal as they think and give them a glimmer of hope
by dean 8/18/2011 1:26:55 PM
@dean I enjoyed that 5 chpolata's 3 rashers smoked bacon 2 slices of buttered griddled bread .... going to make coffee now
by elainekirk 8/18/2011 1:27:24 PM
@Edano, do you know what time zone they use in the TEPCO csv data? Is it UTC or JST?
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:27:41 PM
Quake at 11:44 UTC First high rad reading 17:00 on the tepco report
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:28:40 PM
Given the uncertain effects of low-level radiation, there is a pressing need for good quality research in this area. An expert panel convened at the 2006 Ultra-Low-Level Radiation Effects Summit at Carlsbad, New Mexico, proposed the construction of an Ultra-Low-Level Radiation laboratory.[25] The laboratory, if built, will investigate the effects of almost no radiation on laboratory animals and cell cultures, and it will compare these groups to control groups exposed to natural radiation levels. The expert panel believes that the Ultra-Low-Level Radiation laboratory is the only experiment that can explore with authority and confidence the effects of low-level radiation; that it can confirm or discard the various radiobiological effects proposed at low radiation levels e.g. LNT, threshold and radiation hormesis.
by dean 8/18/2011 1:29:24 PM
@Pedro Jesus let me know what article and paragraph. Or cut and paste the section here and bold what to change.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:29:47 PM
my impression is that also Pedro so I'm personally looking for something to suggest otherwise
by dean 8/18/2011 1:30:00 PM
interesting nugget from the tepco cover up scandal few yrs ago - tepco did not totally conceal much of the data they issued it in their English language reports but not in the Japanese language ones - this ruse enabled thm to get away with it for as long as they did - it also raises the question of if they have to produce english language reports where are they for the present crisis ,
by elainekirk 8/18/2011 1:31:20 PM
off to work for me.. will return
by dean 8/18/2011 1:31:39 PM
@hudebnik hi!
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:37:06 PM
An updated article about the rad spike after the last quake is up on the group web page.
by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:38:30 PM
I'm reading through the Hanford article. It needs some editing since there are some grammar and punctuation mistakes. Let me know if you need assistance with that. Well done.by Pedro Jesus 8/18/2011 1:09:01 PM
G'day chapsby hudebnik 8/18/2011 1:36:45 PM
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