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  • Maybe we should keep an eye on the measurements they use this is a translate and maybe nothing but worth us being aware
    What a ridiculous number'm now considering two microseconds'll calmly Souiya society.
    by elainekirk 8/18/2011 1:48:42 PM

  • Anyone have any good info about how #1's meltdown progressed? I recall 3 hours and someone is telling me 7.
    by Hank Scorpio 8/18/2011 1:49:34 PM

  • Emailed Daria at RT. Asked if they could add a link to their article I also pointed out the new finding after the latest quake. That was a 57 Sv/h jump between the 15th and the quake. Will post if I hear back from RT.
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 1:55:40 PM

  • I'm almost done, thanks for the patience and the good work. You can remove the other posts as well. =)
    by Pedro Jesus 8/18/2011 2:17:17 PM

  • @Hank Scorpio Hi there. There were a couple of articles this week looking at #1's meltdown, both suggesting the meltdown process had begun even before the tsunami hit, e.g. www.independent.co.uk
    The 'official' sequence of events is here (see Ch.4 in particular), in the Report of Japanese Government to IAEA Ministerial Conference on Nuclear Safety - Accident at TEPCO's Fukushima Nuclear Power Stations: www.iaea.org
    by es 8/18/2011 2:18:28 PM

  • @All Hi again! Just a quick weather update..... Looks most definate that the Fukushima prefecture will recieve moderate to heavy rainfall associated with a weather event moving across northern Japan over the next 48-72 hours or so, currently all models in agreement on event happening, looking at the situation so am I, the seriousness varies though, GFS and CMC modelling are pointing to 100mm-200mm while others such as NOGAPS and JMA point to a more moderate 50-75mm falling over the next 48-72 hours. JMA have issued advisories for Fukushima pref. of heavy rainfall, thunderstorm and flood which is pretty usual, it dosen't mean the advisorie will eventuate. Personally I am thinking looking a sat images, met info ect that the upper of 150mm+ is certainly possible but my thinking would be in the 100-150mm area, anyway you look at it, more water on top of an already soaked busted reactor.....great! All information and links ofcourse can be found at fukushima FAQ available in @Lilly's pinned link above!:-) Remembering....I am no Meteorologist. (sorry to disrupt the Hanford posting/discussion)
    by Thunder 8/18/2011 2:19:08 PM

  • @Thunder no worries, we are deleting most of the chatter about proofreading. :-) I have not looked at current water levels at the plant but they don't need additional rain. I wonder what current work could get tripped up by the weather. Is it expected to have high winds or just lots of rain?
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 2:23:03 PM

  • LOL. Hatchiko Coalition bought night vision goggles so they can drive in the exclusion zone with their headlights off to not get caught by police again. They were arrested last week for being in the zone while they were feeding and rescuing animals left behind. www.facebook.com
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 2:26:57 PM

  • @lillymunster

    This is part 4 of a 4 part series
    ...
    Milk that was contaminated with iodine 131 is estimated to have caused 13,500 people to have doses of over 33 rem (330 mSv) to their thyroids during 1944 to 1947. 4,000 people may have accumulated up to 100 rem (1,000 mSv or 1 Sv) in their thyroid and some may have accumulated more than 2,500 rem (25,000 mSv. or 25 Sv). Up to 5% of the people in the region around Hanford had significant radiation doses. Children had the highest exposures and milk was thought to be a major source of contamination.
    ...

    People who ate fish from the river would have received 100 – 200 additional millirems per year. Those who ate fish caught caught near Richland, closer to the plant, would have an added dose of 1,300 millirems per year. People were also exposed by drinking water taken from the river, swimming, boating or even being near the shore downriver from the plant.
    ...

    A CDC study was conducted in 2002 that attempted to go back and determine the likely accumulated radiation doses forpeople near Hanford. The average estimated thyroid radiation dose was 174 mGy with .0029 mGy being the lowest and 2,823 mGy being the highest. The differences were due to the person’s location, age, milk consumption, outdoor activities and other variabiles that would expose them to more radiation at Hanford.
    ...

    The National Academies of Science Reviewed the CDC study and made a series of comments about the study. They state that the thyroid cancer link to iodine 131 exposure has been known for 45 years and it directly relates to the exposure and dose someone receives. The estimated releases from Hanford used in the CDC study were 30% lower than they should have been. They also stated that the CDC put too much weight on general global fallout’s role, again skewing results. Of the over 3,000 people in the study, 250 had some form of thyroid disease. 20 people had thryoid cancer but only 14 of those lived in the region during the time period of exposure.

    ...

    Some pieces of information have been found that raise more questions about the releases at Hanford. Earnest Sternglass mentions in his book Secret Fallout, that in 1946 a 19% spike in infant mortalities was found in North Dakota. It correlated with atmospheric data in an Atomic Energy Commission publication “Meterorology and Atomic Energy”. This showed the large releases from Hanford at the time being carried by the documented weather patterns to North Dakota.

    ...

    “there was in fact a significant increase among girls zero to 19 years of age. Among this group there was a total of ten cases for 1958-62, as compared to four cases expected. For young women aged 20 to 29 years old, the number was twenty as compared to nine expected. Still more significant, the rate of thyroid cancers per 100,000 young women under age 30 in Utah had increased almost 400 percent—from 0.6 in 1948-52, before the Nevada tests, to 2.3 in 1958-62.”

    Sternglass also questioned the Utah study’s claim of no increase in leukemia so he looked at US vital statistics.

    ” For the age group 5 to 14 years, there were large percentage rises in leukemia deaths exactly three to five years after each ofthe major test series that deposited fallout in the Utah area. Between 1949 and 1967, the annual number had increased four-fold in successive peaks from 1.5 to 6.2 per 100,000 children. But since leukemia rates for children 5 to 14 years in New York State and elsewhere also went up when fallout became widespread, although not as much as in Utah, a statistician could perhaps say that there was”no unusual increase of leukemia” in Utah”

    ...
    by Pedro Jesus 8/18/2011 2:30:25 PM

  • That's the end of it. Most correction on this one are about missing spaces between words and or numbers.
    by Pedro Jesus 8/18/2011 2:31:12 PM

  • @Lilly mainly rain, looks like fuku npp might lie just on the edge of a 35-40kt boundry which will lie along the coast....iffy on what it might actually see in the way of winds or gusts??? Sorry I couldn't be of more help on that one....and here's a question for any other weather watcher or google nut here....does anyone know if Japan met has a doppler somewhere, preferably close to the NPP??? I personally have no idea but one with a link would be awesome!
    by Thunder 8/18/2011 2:32:44 PM

  • @lillymunster I have to go now. Got some home drilling and electrics to attend to. The Hanford article is really informative and clear. Well done all. Keep up the great work. See you all later.
    by Pedro Jesus 8/18/2011 2:39:54 PM

  • @lillymunster

    here's a small contrib for you 4 Hanford pages
    please copy and remove this post just as well

    -------------------
    all inter-links and Titles have a ';' instead of :'
    e.g.: Hanford to Fukushima; Part 3


    these hints might be dispensable now (?):
    Check back tomorrow for part 2/3/4 ...

    suggestion: here I would have liked a link to the next part, so one needn't scroll all the way down

    about the link-list:
    it's fine on the first page, but from the second page on several of the links miss a 'blank' between TEXT and LINK so some texts break unwanted
    -------------------
    by Vivre 8/18/2011 2:45:08 PM

  • @Thunder there is a doppler, can't remember who has it, maybe Weather.com has the link..
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 2:46:20 PM

  • working on the suggested changes
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 2:47:53 PM

  • The Low Level Radiation Campaign website [ www.llrc.org ] provides specific info based on ECRR data regarding the health effects of exposure to radiation. For example, it includes the following guidance for calculating the effects of Iodine doses:

    "Calculating doses from Iodine.
    Take the figure for Becquerels per litre (Bq/l). (There is information on the internet. LLRC has no resources for monitoring it all). If, as in USA, the radioactivity levels are expressed in picoCuries (pCi), convert pCi to Becquerels (Bq) by multiplying by 0.037.

    To convert a dietary intake into a dose multiply the Becquerels by 0.11 and the answer will be the dose in microSieverts. For example, if a litre of water is contaminated with 0.5 Bq, drinking it will give 0.5 x 0.11 = 0.055microSv. (This uses the ECRR adult dose coefficient for Iodine 131 which is slightly different to the ICRP dose coefficient - see ECRR 2010 p. 244).

    The cancer risk associated with this dose is small. It can be calculated by dividing the dose in microSv by 1 billion. For the above example this means that if a billion people each drank a litre of water contaminated with 0.5 Bq then 5.5 of them would develop cancer over a period of 50 years. The individual person would increase his or her chances of getting cancer by 1 in 182 million. (This uses the ECRR cancer risk coefficient of 0.1 per Sievert which is different to the ICRP risk coefficient 0.05 per Sievert - see ECRR 2010 p. 180).

    Note that this calculation is for a single intake. Iodine 131 loses half of its radioactivity in 8.04 days. This means that if your water supply comes from rainfall and if the rain becomes contaminated in a single episode the radioactivity will decay to 1/16th of its original concentration during a month and so on. That's assuming no further releases from the reactor affect your region."

    ECRR report on 'The Health Effects of Exposure Doses of Ionizing Radiation' [pdf document]: euradcom.org
    ECRR report (Japanese translation): www.jca.apc.org

    [Note: ICRP and ECRR dose and risk coefficients can vary significantly and can thus result in considerable differences in the predicted effects of radiation between the two.]
    by es 8/18/2011 2:50:13 PM

  • back
    by dean 8/18/2011 2:52:32 PM

  • @es so that is what busby is touting is it!! what a load of tosh I would love to see his bank account could be some interesting transactions lately
    by elainekirk 8/18/2011 2:58:11 PM

  • @dean greetings dean
    by elainekirk 8/18/2011 3:00:30 PM

  • @Thunder
    you might like to take this site / and the further linked one into your collection of weatherforcasts
    www.kachelmannwetter.de
    www.meteocentrale.ch

    btw: I had a look at the faqs you mentioned but couldn't find those links you pointed to
    by Vivre 8/18/2011 3:01:31 PM

  • working so I will be back and forth
    by dean 8/18/2011 3:02:34 PM

  • @Thunder thanks for the update
    by elainekirk 8/18/2011 3:02:53 PM

  • @Vivre cheers for the links, links I mentioned are here- fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com
    @Elaine No worries, it's about all I got these days.....
    by Thunder 8/18/2011 3:04:44 PM

  • @hudebnik @all Hello scribblereenos! Could you or someone please put the latest official 6 minute tepco video up here on this page? I can't open it in the link you posted. Thanks!
    by ariadne 8/18/2011 3:05:37 PM

  • @elainekirk Your vitriolic fervour never fails to astound me. Gee, there's so much hatred and ugliness on this planet :(
    by es 8/18/2011 3:06:39 PM

  • @es sorry I didnt mean to sound so nasty I just get so outa control when confronted with persons of any realm who declare themselves experts in their field and then use their carefully stage managed popularity to make their views on their chosen subject acceptable to the audience they have nurtured - in busby's case nurtured from afar.
    My views are personal ones an d are by no means limited to Busby there are people everywhere prepared to play on human emotion to further their own aims and I can assure you that such persons, outside the scope of this groups interests, have in the past and will continue to be scorned by me if I have evidence with which to do so . I do try to contain my wrath on here and will continue to try to
    by elainekirk 8/18/2011 3:13:05 PM

  • Fukushima radiation alarms doctors english.aljazeera.net
    by Panserbjorne9 8/18/2011 3:14:30 PM

  • @Thunder thanks in return :)
    it's bookmarked now!
    by Vivre 8/18/2011 3:17:06 PM

  • Not sure if I can embed the video and it wont let me download it
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 3:20:30 PM

  • Completed all the fixes and updates to the Hanford articles. Thanks for all the feedback this morning. If anyone else reads through and finds things that might need changing please let me know. I am considering starting the series tonight so it runs AM in Japan. Not sure due to the weekend. If I should run it over the weekend, split it up or start them on Monday.
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 3:22:23 PM

  • @Vivre no worries. Your contribution is friggin awesome.... @Everyone this link is very good and it still has dispersion modelling! www.kachelmannwetter.de will add it to fukifaq later.....for now @PB9 is here which means it's way past my bed time! @All stay well!
    by Thunder 8/18/2011 3:23:09 PM

  • @Thunder be well thunder ty
    by elainekirk 8/18/2011 3:24:59 PM

  • @Lilly @all - re the Tepco video the source page is here www.tepco.co.jp (it is the last item). Lucky Windows types can right click and <save target as> and it will download - just done it. 44MB tho!
    by hudebnik 8/18/2011 3:27:36 PM

  • I just uploaded it to the page here. If it doesn't show up in a few minutes I will upload it to my Youtube and then put it here.
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 3:33:51 PM

  • @Thunder ta
    have enlightening dreams ;)
    by Vivre 8/18/2011 3:34:25 PM

  • @ Lilly, good write up, I wondered something when I read the last section. If you were to put some bulleted items based on the write up that the people in japan could benefit most from what would they be?
    by dean 8/18/2011 3:35:28 PM

  • TEPCO PR VIDEO

    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 3:35:53 PM

  • I have set up a new page for the August 17 Tepco road maps on the FukuWiki at fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com
    by hudebnik 8/18/2011 3:45:42 PM

  • @hudebnik do you have access to the new group website?
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 3:46:10 PM

  • @Lilly - as a mod? No
    by hudebnik 8/18/2011 3:46:32 PM

  • @Thunder, if your still here let me know if you need a login for the group web also. I copied over all the weather resources from the FAQ to a page on the group web. The fAQ page is still on the faq also.
    by lillymunster 8/18/2011 3:49:47 PM

  • @Lilly - I have emailed you so you can mod out your email address
    by hudebnik 8/18/2011 3:53:25 PM

  • interesting quote "Natural Geiger Counter: There is a plant that is a natural Geiger counter. The spiderwort plant is so sensitive to changes in radiation levels (its petals change color upon exposure) that it’s often used as a natural radiation detector (dosimeter), just as they use canaries in mines as detectors of poisonous gas. Some people like knowing that they have an ongoing monitoring system for radiation in the environment"... this is from www.oasisadvancedwellness.com
    by dean 8/18/2011 3:53:32 PM

  • @dean I want one of those
    by elainekirk 8/18/2011 3:55:10 PM

  • Taking a break see you later
    by hudebnik 8/18/2011 3:56:10 PM

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