
if rockhopper comes can somebody explain the lies in this doc please I have to go watch the ducks race
www.nirs.go.jpby elainekirk 8/27/2011 11:25:47 AM

@es I lived next to one of these aging beasts. :-) We lived there for less than a year but you have to really kind of seek out any information. We lived about 6 miles from Monticello NPP in MN. I saw something in the print phone book that was dropped on our front step. All it mentioned was alarms to evacuate and refer to the govt. emergency alert system for more info if something ever happened. Other than that people really don't get any info.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 12:44:19 PM

@Elaine, Greenpeace is made up of subdivisions. IIRC it was a different division in Japan. I think it was Greenpeace Japan and France doing things in JP. They were told by the JP govt. their actions were not welcome so that could have had something to do with less action now. I find it frustrating either way. Safecast has managed to operate without much hassle, Greenpeace should be able to do the same. I think it was Greenpeace UK that filed the court suit. I wish their US group would get off their collective butts and help us deal with all the issues popping up here lately. Every time we have any sort of a natural disaster we find an aging NPP that isn't prepared or outright dangerous.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 12:50:09 PM

@es It was a very interesting scenario. The town was not part of Mpls. when the plant was built. It became an outer ring suburb in the 90's as cheap housing and expansion happened. I would love to have talked to some of the old timers that had lived there the whole time to find out how it evolved. I think back when the plant was built in the very early 70's people still had the illusion they were safe. If Monticello ever has a major accident it would be an epic disaster. All of Minneapolis is basically in the disaster zone. This plant sits at the start of the Mississippi river so any water based contamination would travel through the middle of a bunch of major cities.
Evacuation would have to go north. The traffic into Mpls from the north suburbs is always gridlocked. That was our main motivation to move into the city.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:12:12 PM

@es Minneapolis is an oddity. Monticello was in rural land. The outer ring burbs are pretty middle class but there is a rather upper class burb within 30 miles of the plant. City expansion happened as if the plant isn't even there. If it had been shut down when its design life was over none of this would be an issue. The problem is the NRC is giving out plant extensions for 20+ more years of operation. These extensions are pretty much rubber stamped. They are not doing any serious review. They look at the piping and give them another 20 years. Monticello is just one example. The east coast of the US is very population dense and has many "monticello" situations all over the eastern US where people are packed in even tighter and more of these plants. The NRC is really becoming a worry in the US. They fail to be rigorous on the plants and completely ignore some major risks.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:38:46 PM

@RBeaner thanks! I can use that as comparison. I read that and wondered where the heck they were getting their information!
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:39:27 PM

So they test rice about as far away from the plant as they can get and declare all Fukushima rice is clean.
newsonjapan.comby lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:56:52 PM

@lillymunster i lived in minneapolis some time in the late 70s. of course, the nuke was never a topic. good ol times
by Edano 8/27/2011 1:57:30 PM

@es what is complicating matters is the republicans are after the head of the NRC but for what seems like other reasons. So I don't know their true motivations for going after him. They tend to want to gut govt. oversight of industries so I don't trust them to want to do anything to make the NRC better.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:59:19 PM

@Edano I lived there in the 70's and 80's. Even when TMI melted down I don't remember any discussion of the two NPP near Mpls.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:59:56 PM

out for a bit
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 2:12:26 PM

@RBeaner I am well aware the advice that nirs gave to their own people was not only wrong it endangered a large number of people if you read my post agaagain you wi see that is what I said please excuse typing errors trying to post from phone
by elainekirk 8/27/2011 4:22:13 PM

I have ads blocked. If people continue to get obnoxious type ads let me know what ones they are and we can say something to the tech office.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:08:45 PM

@LM To add to LM's post about Hokkaido. Their governor is from the "nuclear village". She worked for METI, has relatives in various nuclear entities. She just allowed Tomari to fully run a reactor. Lots of people were not happy about it. I think anything involving a nuclear facility should be put to a vote of the local population and required to get over 75% support. I would love to see this become an international law.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:11:56 PM

On the NRC. It is another agency that has dual conflicting mandates. They are to handle nuclear safety and promotion of nuclear power. So it is having the same problems as METI and IAEA. Jazko worked for Senator Reid from Nevada. The first thing Jasko did was kill the nuclear waste storage facility in Nevada. So there is some political things going on. There was criticism about how Jazko runs things that he is hostile and has told people to not do certain things on projects he wanted to die off like the storage facility. Another problem is Obama received lots of his campaign money from some nuclear companies like Entergy. So he won't take any decisive action on nuclear safety. The GOP hasn't been up front about their position on the issue. The far right factions of the GOP announced they want the nuclear sector unregulated and to let private companies deal with long term nuclear disposal and storage. The situation in the US right now completely sucks.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:17:46 PM

Then we have to deal with things like politicians wanting to close the EPA. :-(
www.mercurynews.comby lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:21:00 PM

@Cat the only positive in this mess is that people in every corner of the world are realizing this about the same time. It will still take something massive to make change.
by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:36:04 PM

UPDATE 1: Gov't eyes revival law, nuclear waste facility for FukushimaFUKUSHIMA, Aug. 27, Kyodo
The government plans to establish a special law to help revive Fukushima Prefecture, while seeking to build a temporary storage facility there for radioactive waste, following the country's worst nuclear accident, officials said Saturday.
While the idea of special legislation, based on a local proposal, gave hope to Gov. Yuhei Sato, the idea for a storage facility displeased him after outgoing Prime Minister Naoto Kan unveiled it during their talks in Fukushima City.
''It's an abrupt proposal. We are very much baffled,'' Sato said.
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 8/27/2011 5:38:52 PM

fukushima instead of mongolia. good idea.
by Edano 8/27/2011 5:39:43 PM