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  • if rockhopper comes can somebody explain the lies in this doc please I have to go watch the ducks race www.nirs.go.jp
    by elainekirk 8/27/2011 11:25:47 AM

  • Tropical Storm TALAS: Probability of Cat 1 or above winds to 120 hours lead : www.tropicalstormrisk.com

    by Majj via Tropicalstormrisk 8/27/2011 11:59:04 AM

  • @es I lived next to one of these aging beasts. :-) We lived there for less than a year but you have to really kind of seek out any information. We lived about 6 miles from Monticello NPP in MN. I saw something in the print phone book that was dropped on our front step. All it mentioned was alarms to evacuate and refer to the govt. emergency alert system for more info if something ever happened. Other than that people really don't get any info.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 12:44:19 PM

  • @Elaine, Greenpeace is made up of subdivisions. IIRC it was a different division in Japan. I think it was Greenpeace Japan and France doing things in JP. They were told by the JP govt. their actions were not welcome so that could have had something to do with less action now. I find it frustrating either way. Safecast has managed to operate without much hassle, Greenpeace should be able to do the same. I think it was Greenpeace UK that filed the court suit. I wish their US group would get off their collective butts and help us deal with all the issues popping up here lately. Every time we have any sort of a natural disaster we find an aging NPP that isn't prepared or outright dangerous.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 12:50:09 PM

  • @lillymuster It really is alarming how little information locals receive. I'd be most uncomfortable at six miles, seems way too close. It's difficult for me to see how any build plan that requires emergency evacuation zones for the local population can be accepted by local authorities. Those that do permit such atrocities on their doorsteps are either naive or corrupt. They're certainly negligent.
    by es 8/27/2011 1:03:51 PM

  • Some stuff I found from Busby: australiancannonball.com and australiancannonball.com
    by AustralianCannonball 8/27/2011 1:06:18 PM

  • @es It was a very interesting scenario. The town was not part of Mpls. when the plant was built. It became an outer ring suburb in the 90's as cheap housing and expansion happened. I would love to have talked to some of the old timers that had lived there the whole time to find out how it evolved. I think back when the plant was built in the very early 70's people still had the illusion they were safe. If Monticello ever has a major accident it would be an epic disaster. All of Minneapolis is basically in the disaster zone. This plant sits at the start of the Mississippi river so any water based contamination would travel through the middle of a bunch of major cities.

    Evacuation would have to go north. The traffic into Mpls from the north suburbs is always gridlocked. That was our main motivation to move into the city.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:12:12 PM

  • by Majj via Nnvl.noaa.gov 8/27/2011 1:17:42 PM

  • @lillymunster Yes, seems that's how it so often is. As populations grow and land becomes scarcer, the inital boundries put in place to prevent harm to local residents are pushed closer and closer to the danger zone. This is inevitable without clear reminders of the threat, or where there are no firm and long-lasting planning restrictions. And yes, it's also sadly inevitable that it's the worst off members of our societies who have no choice but to live there. :(
    by es 8/27/2011 1:31:13 PM

  • @elainekirk This info on Potassium Iodine www.nirs.go.jp is NOT consistent with generally accepted KI practice see FDA "Guidance Potassium Iodide as a Thyroid Blocking Agent in Radiation Emergencies www.fda.gov
    by RBeaner 8/27/2011 1:38:28 PM

  • @es Minneapolis is an oddity. Monticello was in rural land. The outer ring burbs are pretty middle class but there is a rather upper class burb within 30 miles of the plant. City expansion happened as if the plant isn't even there. If it had been shut down when its design life was over none of this would be an issue. The problem is the NRC is giving out plant extensions for 20+ more years of operation. These extensions are pretty much rubber stamped. They are not doing any serious review. They look at the piping and give them another 20 years. Monticello is just one example. The east coast of the US is very population dense and has many "monticello" situations all over the eastern US where people are packed in even tighter and more of these plants. The NRC is really becoming a worry in the US. They fail to be rigorous on the plants and completely ignore some major risks.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:38:46 PM

  • @RBeaner thanks! I can use that as comparison. I read that and wondered where the heck they were getting their information!
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:39:27 PM

  • @lillymunster The non-reviews required for re-licencing are frankly scandalous. We should seriously question the judgement of anybody prepared to ignore such obvious risks, and anyone who can deny that a Fukushima could ever happen to them.
    by es 8/27/2011 1:50:38 PM

  • So they test rice about as far away from the plant as they can get and declare all Fukushima rice is clean. newsonjapan.com
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:56:52 PM

  • @lillymunster i lived in minneapolis some time in the late 70s. of course, the nuke was never a topic. good ol times
    by Edano 8/27/2011 1:57:30 PM

  • @es what is complicating matters is the republicans are after the head of the NRC but for what seems like other reasons. So I don't know their true motivations for going after him. They tend to want to gut govt. oversight of industries so I don't trust them to want to do anything to make the NRC better.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:59:19 PM

  • @Edano I lived there in the 70's and 80's. Even when TMI melted down I don't remember any discussion of the two NPP near Mpls.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 1:59:56 PM

  • out for a bit
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 2:12:26 PM

  • @lillymunster I'm not so familiar with how the US or the NRC is run, but from here it seems the Reps generally to want fewer restrictions not more, and I'm guessing their first call of duty is to attack anyone trying to change the status quo by improving saftey conditions - they simply cannot allow economic growth to be hampered in any way, it's their biggest fear. As I see it this matter needs firm and decisive leadership, and the NRC need the power and the incentive to be able to confront, condemn, and close down nuke power companies who fail to meet the very highest of standards. If the NRC are unable to meet this requirement then an alternative body should.
    by es 8/27/2011 2:26:18 PM

  • Result of Radioactive Dose Measurement at Unit 4 Emergency Gas Treatment System in Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station [27 August, 2011]: www.tepco.co.jp
    by es 8/27/2011 2:30:54 PM

  • @es , good morning, in my understanding the Reps' attempts to dislodge Jaszco have two motivations. Firstly he is the protege of Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, a Dem. who strongly opposes the use of Yucca Mountain as a storage facility. Jaszco is his point man to keep that use blocked. Second, Reid won his last re-election in a very close race. Anything that works against him must be good.
    by Peter Melzer 8/27/2011 2:55:10 PM

  • @Peter Melzer Hi, back and thanks, that's illuminating. I quickly looked up Reid's basic nuke/waste management policy and, correct me if I'm wrong, it was pretty much summarised in this quote: "The new nuclear power plants are going to be built, and it's terrific that the president stepped forward on this. I'm not against nuclear power. I'm against bringing nuclear waste to Nevada. Scientists say leave it where it is. That's what we have to do." Would these also be Jaszco's own views then, or is it a matter of him being in some way under Reid's thumb? We wouldn't want any conflicts of interest!
    by es 8/27/2011 3:47:11 PM

  • Hokkaido Elec. Power Co. to probe e-mail deception
    Hokkaido Electric Power Company admits that it urged employees to attend a symposium and express views in support of one of its nuclear energy projects.

    Officials from the utility, which covers Japan's northernmost prefecture of Hokkaido, held a news conference on Friday about the 2008 symposium.

    The move comes after 2 other utilities in Japan admitted using similar forums to manipulate public opinion in favor of their nuclear projects.

    The symposium in Hokkaido was about a project involving plutonium-uranium oxide, or MOX, fuel at the Tomari nuclear power plant. The meeting was sponsored by the Hokkaido prefectural government and local governments of municipalities hosting the power plant.
    The utility said its public relations department sent out e-mails to nuclear power-related offices asking them to have as many people as possible attend the symposium and speak in favor of the MOX project. www3.nhk.or.jp .............Morning all! Hopefully this isn't too old.
    by LM 8/27/2011 4:00:11 PM

  • Lake Anna Conditions for 8/27/2011, as per Dominion: www.dom.com
    Temperature (deg F) = 84; Lake Level (ft): 249.8
    [Note the data given for 8/26/2011 was Temp: 84; Level: 249.7]
    by es 8/27/2011 4:02:46 PM

  • @RBeaner I am well aware the advice that nirs gave to their own people was not only wrong it endangered a large number of people if you read my post agaagain you wi see that is what I said please excuse typing errors trying to post from phone
    by elainekirk 8/27/2011 4:22:13 PM

  • @es , you found what I recalled. The Reps believe that Jaszco is Reid's tool. I think Jaszco worked on Reid's staff before he got this job and is not much versed in things nuclear at all. Reid only appears to oppose storage in Nevada to protect his votes.
    by Peter Melzer 8/27/2011 4:47:04 PM

  • @Peter Melzer OK, that would make sense. Cheers.
    by es 8/27/2011 4:52:50 PM

  • Bummer, ads with sound spontaneously pop up from this page.
    by Ian 8/27/2011 4:53:48 PM

  • Latest animation of the wave height projections from Irene polar.ncep.noaa.gov
    by RadioGuy 8/27/2011 4:58:49 PM

  • Hi folks, its good to be back, I haven't been able to check in for ages and I have been suffering from the information vacuum. @ian. irritating yes. I keep getting a script error that I am sure comes from pop ups
    by Cat 8/27/2011 5:02:24 PM

  • @All hi again, looking relatively good weather wise for Japan, bullet dodging weather wise seems to continue! After crossing the northeastern tip of The Philippines Typhoon Nanmadol has weakened to a category 3 system, it's central eye is now again over water in the Luzon Strait and conditions are favorable for reintensification before land interaction with Taiwan around the 29/30, it will cross onto the mainland as a weak category 3 system bringing flooding and Gales to much of the island, destructive winds may be felt along much of the south eastern seaboard and adjacent inland, model guidance here after is not great with most models simply stalling the system and dissipating it, even if it were to move northward toward Japan it should be so significantly weakened that it will pose little threat. Talas to the east still lies in some difficult conditions but better times seem to be ahead with intensification forecast by all models and met agencies but the system has struggled to consolidate and deep convection seems to have subsided a lot compared to the explosive convection witnessed around 48 hours ago. Poleward outflow has been stunted from the beginning but seems to be picking up, this will help the system greatly should it establish an outflow channel, it is forecast to do so unfortunately that channel will lie directly over the east Japanese seaboard and bring falls of possibly 200mm+(that's the bad news), thankfully the storms never underwent direct cyclone interaction, competing high pressure steering ridges have kept them apart and DCI is no longer possible due to the great distances and relative weakness of both systems, in the later an upper level anticyclone(area of high pressure-acts like a blocking mechanism) currently strengthening over the sea just south of Kyushu will prevent Talas being able to cross onto southern Japan(and no doubt block Nanmadol too, should it make a comeback it will most likely push the system into eastern China or the Korean peninsula), another high pressure ridge to the west will create a very small channel available for travel just off the eastern coast of Japan(this is where the poleward outflow I talked of is) preventing a fast recurve to the northeast as usually seen, the system may still affect this eastern part of Japan but is not expected to impact the area until at least Friday of next week but being such a large system it’s affects may begin to be felt as early as late Tuesday early Wednesday in south eastern areas of Japan(NOTE: as currently modeled). Certainly not out of the woods yet but it could have been so much worse….remembering, I am no met! Good luck Americanos with Irene, there's no dodging her!:-)
    by Thunder 8/27/2011 5:06:44 PM

  • I have ads blocked. If people continue to get obnoxious type ads let me know what ones they are and we can say something to the tech office.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:08:45 PM

  • @LM To add to LM's post about Hokkaido. Their governor is from the "nuclear village". She worked for METI, has relatives in various nuclear entities. She just allowed Tomari to fully run a reactor. Lots of people were not happy about it. I think anything involving a nuclear facility should be put to a vote of the local population and required to get over 75% support. I would love to see this become an international law.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:11:56 PM

  • @lillymunster Thanks. Yes, to a fully informed local population.
    by es 8/27/2011 5:15:04 PM

  • On the NRC. It is another agency that has dual conflicting mandates. They are to handle nuclear safety and promotion of nuclear power. So it is having the same problems as METI and IAEA. Jazko worked for Senator Reid from Nevada. The first thing Jasko did was kill the nuclear waste storage facility in Nevada. So there is some political things going on. There was criticism about how Jazko runs things that he is hostile and has told people to not do certain things on projects he wanted to die off like the storage facility. Another problem is Obama received lots of his campaign money from some nuclear companies like Entergy. So he won't take any decisive action on nuclear safety. The GOP hasn't been up front about their position on the issue. The far right factions of the GOP announced they want the nuclear sector unregulated and to let private companies deal with long term nuclear disposal and storage. The situation in the US right now completely sucks.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:17:46 PM

  • @ es. I am convinced that there is a fatal flaw in the capitalist ideal of 'for profit' companies. The bigger they get the more they need to lie bribe and cheat to protect their interests. It seems to operate at all levels, I watched our elected council, even our bishop during a three year school closure battle. They all behaved like they had guns to their heads. (One council member described it as that.) Forced to lie backtrack and vote against their wishes.)
    by Cat 8/27/2011 5:20:49 PM

  • Then we have to deal with things like politicians wanting to close the EPA. :-( www.mercurynews.com
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:21:00 PM

  • @lillymunster. I dont get obnoxious ads, but they are often videos with sound, and they slow everything down, and get in the way of posted links I might be listening to.
    by Cat 8/27/2011 5:24:34 PM

  • @Cat Yeah, the greediest shareholders rule the roost :(
    by es 8/27/2011 5:25:29 PM

  • @lillymunster. Really hate the flashy you are the 100000.... visitor to this site one.
    by Cat 8/27/2011 5:26:17 PM

  • @es. I think it has reached a terrifying scale where the good of the people is no longer a consideration. There used to be a fear that robots would take over the world, and find that humans were an inconvenience. I think corporations took over, and found the same thing.
    by Cat 8/27/2011 5:30:07 PM

  • by Majj 8/27/2011 5:35:44 PM

  • @Cat the only positive in this mess is that people in every corner of the world are realizing this about the same time. It will still take something massive to make change.
    by lillymunster 8/27/2011 5:36:04 PM

  • UPDATE 1: Gov't eyes revival law, nuclear waste facility for Fukushima

    FUKUSHIMA, Aug. 27, Kyodo

    The government plans to establish a special law to help revive Fukushima Prefecture, while seeking to build a temporary storage facility there for radioactive waste, following the country's worst nuclear accident, officials said Saturday.

    While the idea of special legislation, based on a local proposal, gave hope to Gov. Yuhei Sato, the idea for a storage facility displeased him after outgoing Prime Minister Naoto Kan unveiled it during their talks in Fukushima City.

    ''It's an abrupt proposal. We are very much baffled,'' Sato said.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 8/27/2011 5:38:52 PM

  • fukushima instead of mongolia. good idea.
    by Edano 8/27/2011 5:39:43 PM

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