Japan Earthquake

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@Bobby1 Increasing in samples in the US, or increasing in amounts released from the plant? I would expect Cs samples will creep along for awhile but not in any big spikes. Cs is less volatile than I-131, and travels slower. the Cs is the biggest concern to me. Spent fuel won't have any I-131, but lots of Cs...and it looks like they have had and continue to have BIG problems with the spent fuel at Daiichi. No one has definitively stated I-131 is no longer being produced, but it does seem to be decaying as if it has stopped. Check out DOE surveys of the site:http://blog.energy.gov/content/situation-japan/
by heisenberg 4/14/2011 7:49:46 PM

If this is redundant, please remove: english.kyodonews.jp
Kyodo regarding Onagawa "suffering" larger jolt than designed for.
by pj 4/14/2011 7:49:51 PM

@pj Exactly, this is their smoking gun and there's no way to duck out of it. It's simple arithmetic.
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 7:49:53 PM

@Bobby1, may we have it, too?
by Peter Melzer 4/14/2011 7:50:53 PM

@heisenberg In US & other nations' samples, and it necessarily follows from the plant.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 7:51:18 PM

@Peter Melzer Nope. National security, you know.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 7:51:48 PM

@Peter Melzer You made me LOL!
by pj 4/14/2011 7:52:01 PM

@pj , my bad!
by Peter Melzer 4/14/2011 7:52:33 PM

@Jim Carver I assume you have your backup site set up? If not I have an FTP account available for you. Passworded access plus the availability to put things into a certain directory if you want to make them available to people via http.
by Markfm 4/14/2011 7:52:51 PM

@Everybody know about "chugging"? If not I have a post I wrote.
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 7:53:28 PM

@Peter Melzer Not to get chatty, but it was just such a nice way to put it. It made me smile. It woudl also be lovely if they would share what they know, and it's funny how actually TELLING us what is going on would somehow undermine national security. It's like national oblivion is preferable
by pj 4/14/2011 7:54:40 PM

@pj @Peter Melzer : oh i am pretty sure usgov can clearly see every single fuel rod in their satellite images. they even can find second earths in space.
by Edano 4/14/2011 7:55:12 PM

@Markfm No Mark, not yet, I probably should be doing that now. But I'm obviously not. Just taking it easy today I guess. That would get it up quicker if you want to do that for us.
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 7:55:29 PM

@Markfm @Jim Carver http would be great :)
by es 4/14/2011 7:56:43 PM

@Bobby1 - Sort of, since Cs has a half-life ~30yrs it will persist for a while, so its harder to infer from its presence the current emission rates from the plant...I would say if the plant was still releasing a lot of material into the air the radiation readings at the plant and nearby would be much higher than they are. Let me also point out: the plant may STILL be releasing a lot of contamination, but they are hosing it all into the ocean - still BAD, but not able to travel through the atmosphere. If for some reason they lose their ability to keep putting water on the plant, I would be very concerned for a return to serious airborne dispersal.
by heisenberg 4/14/2011 7:57:32 PM

Never mind -- I see your e-mail above.
by Markfm 4/14/2011 7:57:47 PM

One weird I-131 data point was Philly, PA - when you look at their RadNet data for drinking water, it was remarkably high. (http://www.epa.gov/radiation/rert/radnet-philadelphia-bg.html you'll need to scroll down to the bottom of the page) Then I saw an article attributing that high concentration to something else entirely: articles.philly.com THEN they say "oh, those reading were twice as high last summer, we just didn't *tell* you about it". WTH?!
by pj 4/14/2011 7:58:17 PM

@es Mine would be https , Mark's got an ftp site. I have to be careful, it's not open source exactly.
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 7:58:19 PM

@Jim Carver Sure. Direct public access would be good though. Thanks for all your work on it.
by es 4/14/2011 8:00:03 PM

@heisenberg Some of it comes from venting the reactors, some from steam from the spent fuel, some from evaporation of highly irradiated runoff, some from evaporation of contaminated water in the Pacific.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 8:00:06 PM

<< was paraphrasing the Enquirer article. Oh, and the EPA web site should read www.epa.gov sorry for it not coming through as a hotlink in last post
by pj 4/14/2011 8:00:21 PM

I sent you an e-mail, your choice what you do. The account will be there if you ever want it.
by Markfm 4/14/2011 8:00:32 PM

This doc is in Japanese (dated April 14) but you should be able to read the status of each reactor, radiation levels, temps etc. tinyurl.com
by ColorMeRed 4/14/2011 8:01:24 PM

@Markfm K, I'll go look. Anybody need that chugging thing?
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 8:01:25 PM

@Jim Carver Was that the localized criticality stuff? Intermittent but ongoing?
by pj 4/14/2011 8:02:16 PM

@pj Yeah..I'll put mine up.
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 8:02:52 PM

@Jim Carver TY - I'll save it to look at it later. I've got to go do the parent thang. :)
by pj 4/14/2011 8:03:32 PM

Omissions, half-truths and lies, lies, lies... TEPCO, GoJ, IAEA, WHO, BBC, CNN... pretty much the whole global machine. All borne of power, greed, contempt, exploitation. So bad it's embarrassing to be human. I'd be insisting someone should go in now & commandeer the whole situation from GoJ & TEPCO, but wth could we trust to do that on our behalf, and what could they do about it now anyway??? What they all forget is it will be they themselves also, and their children, who perish along with the rest of us simple humans.
by Paul 4/14/2011 8:03:39 PM

I'd like chugging info. Thanks.
by Scilla 4/14/2011 8:04:07 PM

@Paul Yeah, frankly I'm ashamed to be human too. So sad.
by es 4/14/2011 8:05:48 PM

When a mass reaches a criticality, there is a balance of one nuetron emitted for every nuetron absorbed by the nucleus. That value is said to be one, 1.00 if it is greater than 1.00 than the reaction accelerates in a positive feedback loop until something (like a moderator rod) comes along to change it. If it is less than 1.00 then there are not enough slow moving nuetrons to sustain criticality and the reaction stops. Chugging implies that since there is no divine intervention by anything, nature takes its course and the system oscillates between <1 and >1 . You see the trick to getting this reactor to work is keeping that value at 1.00 .It's a dimensionless number. No units. So, for values greater than 1, you have something like a bomb, for values less than 1, you have an expensive piece of junk.
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 8:06:22 PM

@Jim Carver An expensive piece of highly radioactive junk.
by radioguy 4/14/2011 8:08:09 PM

@radioguy nasty junk
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 8:08:31 PM

@Jim Carver : is that n explanation of "chugging" ?
by Edano 4/14/2011 8:08:53 PM

@you : ok, i undetsood.
by Edano 4/14/2011 8:09:19 PM

@ColorMeRed 232 you may be able to find that doc in english here, they are about a day behind the Japanese release of data translate.google.com
by Nancy 4/14/2011 8:09:52 PM

Yes - I hope everyone here that takes the time to read posts, and to pay attention, and to seek the truth recognizes the ridiculous state of things right now, and will also take the time to work for and advocate at every turn sensible, SAFE, and sustainable energy solutions...we are wrecking our world.
by heisenberg 4/14/2011 8:10:37 PM

Chugging is also the reason why the Chicago Cubs never win the World Series.
by FradyKat 4/14/2011 8:10:51 PM

These pics were of diagarams shown at NISA conference earlier today #4 twitpic.com twitpic.com
by ColorMeRed via Twitpic 4/14/2011 8:13:39 PM

These pics were of diagarams shown at NISA conference earlier today #4 twitpic.com twitpic.com
by ColorMeRed via Twitpic 4/14/2011 8:13:39 PM

@ColorMeRed Govt. of Georgia has been putting them up on a daily basis but in English. Markfm said they are running about 24hours behind Japan in posting them online. To me they are much more meaningful when I can read them in English but I have no ability to read Japanese in any form.
by Nancy 4/14/2011 8:15:26 PM

They're from the last published major plant parameters. Compared to the 13th, you'll see more water in #5 core, a bit less in #6 (though still over 2200 mm), and a large drop in #6 core water temp. The two SFPs show a bit of a rise, though not huge. Nancy, by now you should have completed your 30 day Berlitz course in Japanese :)
by Markfm edited by Markfm 4/14/2011 8:16:05 PM

@heisenberg I agree, but "we" aren't wrecking our world, it's a cabal of greedy bankers, lying politicians and Strangeloveian lunatics who are doing it.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 8:19:44 PM