Japan Earthquake

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I think this is the result of METI hiring the lowest bidder to do their PR internet "cleansing" campaign. :-)
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:18:57 AM

@Edano we had a scammer calling my elderly mother claiming to be one of the grandkids stuck in jail. She said they sounded drunk. We backtracked them to a scam in Canada.
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:22:11 AM

www.nirs.go.jp
this is the iodine doc again rockhopper hasnt seen it and I am no good at explaining it she says she is coming here to see it
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:24:30 AM

@lillymunster I was once targeted by a persistent phone scammer who claimed I'd won $70,000 in the New York Lottery, and it was all mine just as soon as I transferred the 5% tax to them... She didn't sound drunk, but she was traced to Canada!
by es 8/28/2011 12:27:22 AM

@es the hubby strung along a Nigerian email scammer for a week or more pretending he believed the guy. :-)
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:28:46 AM

@elainekirk I posted on the group web about it. Outlined the messed up parts and used the FDA reccomendations that rbeaner provided as contrast.
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:29:32 AM

@lillymunster I missed that has rockhopper seen it then? I really need to drink more caffiene
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:32:18 AM

@elainekirk not sure
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:33:20 AM

@elainekirk thank you! I am here :)
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:33:54 AM

I knew the society's announcement but was not aware of Eng version...
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:36:20 AM

@ikrockhopper greetings this www.nirs.go.jp @Lilly has done work it is full of lies I will let others tell you
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:36:47 AM

There is a myth among JPs that we are taking lots of iodine because we eat seaweed regularly.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:37:52 AM

@ikrockhopper it isnt just that that is wrong with it there is very harmful info in there
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:38:34 AM

@elainekirk I know, I know. To be honest with you, we/I have been exposed to these lies since 3.11, we cannot sort things out. really.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:39:36 AM

@ikrockhopper we will in the end you are not the only ocd I dont let anything go
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:40:20 AM

We have been bombarded from 'experts' who kept saying everything is fine, there is no danger. With human's 'optimistic bias,' we all believe it or wanted to believe it.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:41:19 AM

is here and on the home page houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:41:32 AM

@lillymunster I need a brain translpant ty I couldnt find it I dragged rockhopper here then couldnt find the work you had all done
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:43:44 AM

There were news reports in the US in March telling people that loading up on high iodine foods wouldn't work. Not enough can be consumed to effectively block radiation. People here were buying up protective iodine because we didn't know how much was or would be coming across the Pacific.
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:44:33 AM

@elainekirk and lillymunster Thank you! I feel horrible but these days the only thing I can do is RTing your posting. I read the titles, but cant have time to read texts. I am sorry. I don't know... how can we handle this situation. Many active people on twitter become tired. It's really hard for us to work with the issues, fight against negative people, and handle daily work. Sorry, I am really grumpy.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:44:56 AM

@ikrockhopper there are so many people here and on twitter you have to share your time with your job
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:46:28 AM

The best thing will to put simple figures, or bulleted texts in JP about all the 'facts' and lies.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:47:11 AM

@ikrockhopper Totally understandable. Many of us are a bit removed from the situation by being outside of Japan.

by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:48:21 AM

good ides
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:48:27 AM

@lillymunster For people outside Japan, SimplyInfo works best, because they need contexts and explanation. :)
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:49:06 AM

but there are lots of people here to help tetu and pelukiss and peri you all are working hard if bullet points help we can do it they can tweet
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:49:55 AM

@lillymunster For the denials and 'everything is fine' people in Japan, solid facts and 'lies-and fact' tables are necessary.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:49:59 AM

sounds a great idea is OB_Li back in Japan
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:51:44 AM

Elaine what story did you want on the page the tsunami one or the iodine info?
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:52:34 AM

@elainekirk @lillymunster If you could make some 'lies and facts' tables on some critical issues. Ob_li and I can translated them into JP. Easier than translating texts. and we know all already, basically.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:52:43 AM

@ikrockhopper as we start building the JP translate page maybe we can copy things like that there. That is where I will need help from some of the others that have offered to help translate to make sure things are correct when I get them done.
by lillymunster 8/28/2011 12:53:46 AM

@lillymunster the tsunami one I thought it be nice have it in english I tweet many words from link
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:54:01 AM

@ikrockhopper-san, I just saw that you are visiting. I do not think that the scientists that conjecture these recommendation lie. Lying implies that they know better, but because of some reason intentionally lie. If that were true, we would have to find out what their reasons for lying are.
I myself came to the conclusion that these scientists may just not know better or do not question things enough. They sound so certain about their pronouncements. But in life sciences hardly anything is ever 100 percent this way or that way. For example, if all Japanese people's thyroids were completely loaded with iodine, radio-iodine treatment of thyroid cancer would not work.
by Peter Melzer 8/28/2011 12:54:35 AM

@Peter Melzer You are right. These 'everything is fine' people/scientists do not lie, probably. They simply believe it or don't know enough. That's the tricky part. We should not wait until 'outcome' of the event emerged. We should have taken precation strategies, no matter what we believe.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:57:13 AM

@Peter Melzer Is this what Yamashita was using but he didnt give full picture-

Radiation exposure may affect your health, but the influence and the type depend on the
exposure level. For example below 100 milli Sievert (m Sv) (100,000 micro Sv (μSv)), there is
no immediate health effect. It is thought that the probability of getting cancer may increase
with radiation doses, and this happens only in the period between several years and several
decades after the exposure. For example, the risk of getting cancer is about 0.5% in the case of
100 milli Sv (mSv) radiation exposure. This value is significantly lower than the risk of cancer
caused by factors such as smoking and food. Thus, there is no need for undue concern
www.nirs.go.jp
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 12:57:56 AM

Perhaps, I should have said in short, it makes a stronger argument when you can prove your opponent mistaken, insted of accusing them of lying which is much more difficult to prove.

by Peter Melzer 8/28/2011 12:58:19 AM

@Peter Melzer Even Dr. Yamashita strongly believe his belief. But, his belief simply delay necessary treatments and precaution measures.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 12:58:35 AM

@ikrockhopper @Peter Melzer reading through these 'basic facts' sheets Yamashita was repeating the nirs stuff but leaving out the long term risks www.nirs.go.jp
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 1:00:01 AM

I don't know... I really don't care whether 'a thing' is fact or lie or how much evidence they have. I just want gov and 'experts' to take precaution measure, not waiting for 'outcomes' in the next 20 years, or even sooner. We are not guinea pigs, we are living persons
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 1:02:10 AM

@ikrockhopper exactly I understand what you are saying now and taking it on board
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 1:03:38 AM

You know, what we have been fighting in Japan is about precautional/preventive measures (food, health, soil, water, etc). 20mSv or 1mSv isnt the issue, if we/they take necessary precaution measures, it's OK even with 20mSv.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 1:04:17 AM

@ikrockhopper yes more proactive instead of reactive
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 1:05:07 AM

@ikrockhopper prevention is better than cure
by elainekirk 8/28/2011 1:05:39 AM

My adviser at Colorado State was an injury epi person with MPH. She kept telling me that statistics, numbers and data are all important, but these are for people who live in the real world. Yet, some people will abuse data. This is all about attitudes with data and numbers, not data and numbers itself.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 1:06:16 AM

JP epi people are not public health people like those in US. They tend to only care about data and numbers, not people behind numbers.
by ikrockhopper 8/28/2011 1:07:35 AM