
ah, okay, one in russia (
no containment, ooops)
one test reactor in india
and one test reactor in china ....
that's all.
de.wikipedia.orgby Edano 9/29/2011 12:54:08 AM

@Edano that's enough
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 12:54:38 AM

this list is funny:
de.wikipedia.org 2x INES 4 (in USA), 1x INES 2 (france), 1x INES 1 (monju) all toast.
by Edano 9/29/2011 12:57:34 AM

@skibboy just seeing Edano's 'that's all' when I was glugging juice resulted in screen splatter I think he does it just to catch me out but I dunno how he knows when I am supping juice
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 12:58:41 AM

@elainekirk :) neutrino googles i have
by Edano 9/29/2011 12:59:07 AM

@elainekirk Is this the list of all the docs?
www.nrc.govby lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:08:37 AM

wow. now they really installed two panels this early morning.
by Edano 9/29/2011 1:10:23 AM

@elainekirk that pdf has a couple March 11 emails then jumps to April. They certainly make this hard on purpose.
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:11:55 AM

@lillymunster ah right sorry I reckon they must ghave redacted then they cant expect us to believe there were no mail;s !!!! they claim here to have provided everything maybe they are organised by sender? not date? I need to look
pbadupws.nrc.govby elainekirk 9/29/2011 1:14:37 AM

@Ian LOL - rules to live by!
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:14:45 AM

@elainekirk I just started randomly opening documents off that FOIA list page. Finding March 11 docs in various places. Not sure yet if they are separate streams of emails kept together thus multiple March 11 in various places. or if NRC is just messing with people.
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:15:54 AM

If anyone has suggestions on sorting, cataloging or otherwise organizing the FOIA information please let me know.
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:16:42 AM

@lillymunster I will try
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 1:21:00 AM

@skibboy sleep well
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 1:21:42 AM

This one explains in detail how the emergency system and offsite emergency center were supposed to work (a few emails in), none of it worked. They also started contacting people in Hawaii, Alaska and California along with DHS about the plant leaking radiation. This was on March 11, people already knew the coast could be at risk before the explosions started.
pbadupws.nrc.govby lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:24:34 AM

back for a min.. sorry I had to do some work...I would like to see that information on the FOIA @ lilly...
by dean 9/29/2011 1:31:59 AM

hi @ elaine from earlier
by dean 9/29/2011 1:32:04 AM


I don't understand how unit 4 has got all those different in pbadupws.nrc.gov
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 1:37:59 AM

@dean this is the main page, they combined all the FOIAs on Fukushima the NRC received into one big page to avoid redundancy. Each link goes to a page that then has PDF documents with multiple emails and documents. I have not totally figured out the categorizing scheme they are using for these unless it is by person or teams within NRC.
www.nrc.govby lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:38:09 AM

www.kantei.go.jp @ elaine.. check this out... and you begin to understand the cob web of agencies that were activated in Japan after fuku.. no wonder things were alittle mixed up
by dean 9/29/2011 1:40:50 AM

ty lilly .. let me book mark that
by dean 9/29/2011 1:41:18 AM

@dean looking now
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 1:42:23 AM

From the NRC doc. Yes, very confusing mess of an emergency system:
A minister in its controlling organisation, the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry,
notifies the prime minister's office. The central nuclear emergency response headquarters
(NERHQ) of the national government issues a nuclear emergency declaration, which also
includes instructions about preventative measures. It receives technical advice from the
Nuclear Safety Commission. The NERHQ sends a specialist and the NSC sends a
commissioner to the site.
After the emergency declaration is received, the local office of the national government's
NERHQ arranges prevention measures based on factors including facility information,
climate and monitoring.
Nuclear emergency response operations are coordinated in one of 20 so-called off-site
centres spread across Japan, which are close to, but not inside, nuclear facilities. The offsite centre's role is to be the main centre of information, incident analysis, and emergency
plan organisation and direction. Two or three senior specialists for nuclear emergency
preparedness work in each OFC. In normal conditions, the specialists work as nuclear power
safety inspectors, checking plant operation from the viewpoint of regulation. During anemergency, the specialists organize prevention measures as a secretariat and report it to a
joint council for nuclear emergency response. The joint council includes not only the local
office of the national government's NERHQ and the senior specialists, but also
representatives of the Nuclear Safety Commission and prefectural and municipal NERHQs.
The joint council devises instructions to residents for evacuation and/or sheltering. It also
instructs the emergency services and coast guard, self-defence force, Japan Nuclear Energy
Safety Organisation (JNES), the National Institute of Radiological Sciences, the Japan Atomic
Energy Agency, and other bodies.
JNES has constructed a dedicated high-speed network system connecting the 20 off-site
centres and other agencies called Emergency Preparedness Response Network (EPRNet). It
includes video conferencing systems, e-mail, telephone, fax, and connections to a
meteorological information service, a plant information collection, diagnosis, prognosis and
analytical prediction tool (called ERSS), and an emergency environmental dose prediction
tool (called SPEEDI).
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:42:41 AM

the further out from the ground zero nuclear events the more mixed up the protocol for who's in charge and the communication channels... it gets messy on simple training drills for in state or country.. much less multiple states/countries
by dean 9/29/2011 1:44:57 AM

I need to do some packing for return trip tomorrow.. I will have more time then to continue on...@ lilly and elaine
by dean 9/29/2011 1:47:03 AM

Found a news page for IAEA I don't think we have this
www-news.iaea.orgby lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:47:15 AM

@dean let me know if you think of a logical way to gather anything relevant
we find in these documents.
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 1:47:52 AM

I will... @ lilly.. after next thursday I will be taking some time off and will have more time for here . YEAHHHHHH... and .. tomorrow I will tell you all of what the speaker said today...
by dean 9/29/2011 1:51:45 AM

@dean it will be good to have you around more
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 2:01:23 AM

ty elaine.. I'm excited... where I subcontract said I need a 6 month break
by dean 9/29/2011 2:01:55 AM

@dean Spiffy!
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 2:03:02 AM

@dean reading your link I look for updates iaea, nrc, tepco then when it comes to Japan I search go.jp because there are just so many I couldn't search them individuallyso I trawl the lot
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 2:03:29 AM

Contaminated soil could fill 23 Tokyo Bowl Stadiums
search.japantimes.co.jpby lillymunster 9/29/2011 2:04:39 AM

@RonD I will have a quick look
by elainekirk 9/29/2011 2:12:36 AM

@RonD this is the facts to date from north anna
www.nrc.govby elainekirk 9/29/2011 2:16:15 AM

@RonD during the NRC meeting with Dominion that I sat in on they talked about this. N Anna does not have earthquake scram equipment in the plant. In the discussions with the NRC they said the quake effect on the power equipment caused fluctuations in incoming power and that caused the scram. There was also a strange fluctuation inside the reactor. Dominion was waffling on what that had to do with the scram. They mentioned it as the reason for the trip but mentioned the power fluctuation.
by lillymunster 9/29/2011 2:16:48 AM